Todd says Intelligent Design is not about religion

August 7, 2006

dinoEscambia County School Board candidate Todd Leonard has modified his website Vote Todd Leonard to include an explanation page ( Todd explains ) for his position to bring Intelligent Design into the classrooms. It’s a direct response to this blog – Oh, my God! or is it Todd’s God?; Sorry, Todd – You are a monkey’s uncle .

Leonard sees I.D. has just part of his reform agenda. I see it is a voodoo science, at best, and, at worse, as a backdoor attempt to bring religion in the classroom. Check out this view on the issue – Harvard professor weighs in

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40 Responses to “Todd says Intelligent Design is not about religion”

  1. Tom Says:

    Rick,

    Did you happen to watch WSRE on Friday night? The 3 super’s from SR, OKL, and P’cola were part of a call in show. Jim Paul corrected a caller who asserted that ID was not being taught or mentioned in Escambia, by happily pointing out that our new science text books include ID.

    You might want to take the issue up with Jim Paul. Granted, Mr. Paul was not willing to take credit for it nor was he nearly as affirming of the issue as was Mr. Gaetz.

    Whether YOU think it is voodoo science or not is irrelevant. Someone thinks it is legitimate and has taken the time to at least mention it in the new text book.

    Be encouraged my friend. Academic freedom is on the rise.

    Tom

  2. Joe Says:

    Tom,

    Where is my Flying Spaghetti Monster? If non-scientific nonsense counts as “academic freedom,” then hey — the more the merrier, right? Call it the “if it feels good, do it” approach to education.

    You will disagree with me, no doubt, and insist upon ID’s legitimacy, but please refer to my previous posts and respond to my critiques. Please use the Intelligent Design “theory” to explain the transitional forms we’ve discovered. Please account for the (in my mind) inexplicable problems in our own “design” — or is it unreasonable to expect perfection from a divine designer? Please educate me on what ID says about geology and sociology, since the findings of those entire fields are pretty harmonious with — if not dependent upon — evolutionary theory.

    With regards to our County’s current policy on ID, please share with me what exactly the textbooks say on the matter and in what grade(s) they are used.

    And lastly, please don’t tell me what the Founding Fathers would have endorsed regarding these matters. It is unadvisable in general to project the beliefs of long-dead men into current society (they had a slightly different perspective on slavery, for example). However, since most of them (Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Paine) were Deists like myself, I feel at liberty to point out that the very man who authored the notion of Creator-endowed rights also coined the phrase “separation of church and state.”

  3. WanderingHoo Says:

    So if I were to say 2+2=5 on a math test, that wouldn’t be the wrong answer, just an exercise in academic freedom? Think of how many problems this would solve.

    I wonder if I could use some biblical instructions with my mortgage company?

    Exodus 22: 24-25, “If you lend money to one of your poor neighbors among my people, you shall not act like an extortioner toward him by demanding interest from him.” I wonder what Todd’s take is on the teaching of calculating compound interest in finance class.

  4. Tom Says:

    Joe, hope you are having a good day.

    All this must be taking a pretty heavy toll on you.

    As far as which text book? I don’t know, ask Mr. Paul. I was totally unaware until hearing his encouraging comments last Friday night.

    Your comments concerning Jefferson, and the other Deists are telling. You are showing your true colors, my friend. By making such ill-informed generalizations concerning the faith of our Founding Fathers, and by taking such things as Jefferson’s phrase (which was used in a letter of reassurance guaranteeing the recipients that the state would not interfere into the affairs of the Danbury Association) out of context, your atheistic, naturalist worldview is clearly revealed.

    Embrace Academic Freedom and see if you can get an audience for your Flying Spaghetti monster theory. If it is valid and attracts a reputable following, then maybe they’ll include it in the next science text book adopted in Escambia and Okaloosa Counties. Work hard, my friend… you never know what one man can do hard work and determination.

    By the way, you might be interested to read Chuck Colson’s (who I am sure you love) commentary on the Kansas issue. Here’s the link: http://www.breakpoint.org/listingarticle.asp?ID=2766

    Or simply go to http://www.breakpoint.org/.

    Thanks,

    Tom

  5. Rick Outzen Says:

    Asst. Superintendent Ronnie Arnold has not heard anything about new science textbooks including Intelligent Design. He is checking on it.

    If they do, then why does Todd Leonard have it as an issue?

  6. Joe Says:

    Did I miss something? What generalizations, ill-informed or otherwise, did I make? I’m the one who said we shouldn’t generalize the views of the Founding Fathers in a contemporary context, which you’ve done twice now. But if you insist on starting a Jefferson quoting match, I’ll play to win. And how exactly does identifying myself as a Deist expose my “atheistic, naturalist worldview”?

    I have given concrete examples of real, observable phenomena that cannot be explained by Intelligent Design, which you have been unwilling or unable to rebut. You have also failed to provide any proof of Intelligent Design as a legitimate theory except to link to supporters who assert that there IS proof (somewhere, by someone) that explains everything. And boy, those links are getting crazier! Your latest source calls the scientific community a bunch of “zealots who want to keep kids in the dark about the scientific controversy over evolution.” You know as well as I do: there is no scientific controversy over evolution. And Mr Colson’s defintion of “zealot” is highly suspect.

  7. Floyd Says:

    You have pegged Todd’s suppoter’s Joe. All they do is speak in generalities and rhetoric. They throw something out, whether it be about ID or the school system, and when your respond with specifics they move off to into some other tangent.

    As the colonel said, they can’t handle the truth!!

  8. Tom Says:

    Sorry, I missed that you claimed to be a deist earlier and not an atheist.

    You ask “what generalizations”? Certainly, your statement that “most of the founders” were deists is at best ignorance of the facts. While they may not have all been Benjamin Rush’s or John Witherspoons, they were certainly not deists.

    I do not dispute Thomas Paine’s or Ben Franklin’s Deism, however, there are many who would argue against your inclusion of Washington, especially, but also Jefferson. Thomas Paine should not be considered a founding father simply because of “Common Sense.” He was certainly no signer of the D. of I. and does not deserve to be considered among the great founders mentioned above. Obviously, in keeping with his deistic worldview, Common Sense” (as the title suggests) was an appeal to reason rather than religion as the basis for Revolution.

    Here are two great articles if anyone cares to read them. There is also a new biography that has been well received which treats of Washington’s Christianity.

    Here is a link to a review of the Biography (Washington’s God, by Michael and Jana Novak):

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/114/22.0.html

    Great Article on Washington:

    http://www.wallbuilders.com/resources/search/detail.php?ResourceID=13

    Another on Jefferson:

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28006

    I do not expect this will make any difference with Joe. But, it might be an encouragement to others who are tired of the liberal
    “deistic”, atheistic revisionist efforts to re-write our nation’s history.

    On a theological note, how do you define deist?

    Thanks,

    Tom

  9. Tom Says:

    Empty rhetoric Steven, I mean “Floyd.” So, Floyd, does your man have a position on I.D.?

    If so, I’d like to know if it agrees with your boss’ statement on Friday night in which he happily pointed to the fact that ID is addressed in the new text books. I was unaware of this little tidbit until hearing his comments Friday night.

    Come on Ste.. Floyd, your candidate’s platform consists in this:

    1. Todd Leonard is a bad man.
    2. I am not “Todd Leonard.”
    3. My kids are in public schools.
    4. I know how to manage a facility.
    5. I’ve taken some post education courses.
    6. I’ve taught a time or two.

    To these things I say, “Impressive!” He’ll do a good job going along with the crowd I’m sure. But, as for “vision”? Sorely lacking. I would encourage you to continue bashing Todd Leonard. It only underscores the complete lack of a platform in your camp.

    Based on your man’s logic, should we fire all the teachers who are sending their kids to private schools? They can’t possibly care about the students they are teaching.

    Thanks,

    Tom

  10. Floyd Says:

    Tom:

    Your posts are deteriorating in quality and demeanor. I’m not Steven, but hey, if it makes you feel better, that’s fine with me.

    Once again, I point out that you have no substantive response to any of the issues brought forth by myself and some of the other gentlemen.

    By the way, I do not recall anyone stating that Todd was a bad person. Let’s try to maintain some sense of reality in this discussion.

    Also, as you state, ID is now mentioned in a science text book, so it looks like Todd has lost one of his main agenda items. Now it’s down to renaming Winter Break to Christmas Break and builiding our football programs back up. Not quite as impressive of a vision as when we started, but still pretty substantial.

    I will be busy the next few days, as will Richard, as we have kids coming back to our schools, so I won’t be participating in this forum. You guys have fun.

  11. Tom Says:

    With all due respect Floyd, you’ve done nothing but belitle Mr. Leonard and attack his positions. You’ve put forth no meaningful plan of our own. Status quo seems to be the order of the day in the Bergosh camp.

    As far as ID is concerned. I’m sure he rejoices with you over its inclusion. I’m sure he’ll continue to push for academic freedom in our class rooms.

    Poke fun at Christmas break if you’d like. But, a lot of folks are unhappy with the change and I agree with him that our longstanding traditions should be protected and defended. I’m sure Mr. Bergosh agrees. Does he object to returning to “Christmas break?” I’d be surprised if he objected. Afterall, we’d all work straight through Christmas if it weren’t for the significance of this Holiday tradition in the U.S. So, as I’m sure you’ll agree, renaming winter break is symptomatic of a bigger problem. It represents evidence of the slippery slope toward humanism in our schools. Change has to start somewhere. Why not start with Christmas break?

    I hope you have a good school year. If you are a teacher, I hope you get a big raise. If not… I hope you’ll help Mr. Leonard and Mr. Paul find ways to make significant and substantial cuts to support BIG raises for our teachers.

    Tom

  12. Tom Says:

    Floyd, one more thing. On the issue of his losing a main agenda item, I’m sure Mr. Leonard would be delighted if all of his agenda items met a similar demise.

    However, there is much work to be done. And the mere mention of ID in one text book hardly represents a fair and balanced treatment of the subject. Nevertheless, I, for one, am encouraged by the move toward academic freedom.
    Aren’t you?

    Tom

  13. Richard Says:

    Good morning all. Can anyone tell me if Mr. Leonard supports the Superintendent’s contention that we have too many schools and that in order to increase employee pay further we need to become more efficient and close some of them?

  14. Richard Says:

    Rick, I watched the Friday night program and the Superintendent did not say that ID was being taught in Escambia County Schools. He said it was mentioned as a belief of many in American society. I called a friend in Santa Rosa after I saw the show and he said it is not taught in Santa Rosa or Okaloosa either. It seems it is merely mentioned in the same context that Mr. Paul used it. Why is Tom so obsessed with Okaloosa and Don Gaetz. Met an Okaloosa teacher at a workshop this summer and he said that all is not exsactly as it seems over there. I’ll call him up and ask about the social promotion issue Mr. Leonard is talking about. It is now against the law in the State of Florida to socialy promote but I bet some teachers do it in Okaloosa anyway.

  15. Rick Outzen Says:

    Thanks for the clarification. There’s an old adage in politics – if you keep saying something over and over again, it will be become fact. Intelligent Design, Christmas break, return to sports excellence are all non-issues that Tom and Todd are trying to make important.

  16. Anonymous Says:

    Rick,

    Non issues? Small point, but, you are the one who made it such a big issue in the first place. Look back at your previous blogs concerning Mr. Leonard and you’ll be reminded that it was you who ramped up the rhetoric to get a little more blog attention. It worked.

    Is it that you are a huge supporter of Jeff Bergosh (Gary’s brother)? Or is it that you are simply “anti-ID”?

  17. Tom Says:

    Richard,

    “So obsessed?” No…just impressed, that’s all. Your not?

    I bet some teachers in OKL AND Escambia socially promote. The difference is, in OKL that have a much better system in place to handle failing students. Would you not agree?

    I’m just saying, lets take a peak next door at OKL and SR and see if we can learn something.

    As far as shutting down schools is concerned, better to ask Mr. Leonard that question. Maybe he’ll take a moment and personally respond to this blog. However, with a baby on the way, and his current employment to attend to, it might be better if you call him and see what his position is. I’m sure he would be delighted to talk to you. After you’ve spoken with him, please let us know what he said.

    Hope you have a great first day of school. It is my oldest’s last “first day of school.” Its going to be a special year around here.

    God bless you brother and thanks for the thoughtful comments.

    Tom

  18. Anonymous Says:

    Rick, any regular reader of this blog knows that you are the one who has tried to make these things important.

    Remember, “Oh My God…or is it Todd’s God?”, “Todd is not going to Like This”, and of course this gem, “Todd says intelligent design is not about Religion.”. And WHO is making this issue seem important?

  19. Rick Outzen Says:

    Todd Leonard made Intelligent Design an issue when he made it a platform of his campaign. I see it has a non-issue because it has not an issue for the majority of the parents who send their kids to Escambia County public schools – of which Todd is not one.

    I am “simply” and firmly “anti-ID” in our public schools. What Todd’s kids are taught in their private school or in his own home and church is his right to do.

  20. Rick Outzen Says:

    Again I didn’t make it part of Todd Leonard’s platform. He did and I’m grateful he was honest enough to let the voters know up front what he wants to do.

    I don’t agree with his stance and based on the comments on this blog, there are others would believe likewise.

    District 1 voters will decide whether they believe ID is important when they cast their vote.

  21. Anonymous Says:

    Dear Todd,

    Here are the important issues we would like addressed as parents of Escambia County students in District One:

    1) Teach our kids to read.
    2) Hire and retain talented teachers.
    3) Reduce dropout rates.
    4) Give our children relevant career paths, including college prep, education in the trades and exposure to the arts.

    When you are finished accomplishing all of the above, we would be delighted to entertain discussion about ID/Evolution in our textbooks. Good luck with your campaign.

    Sincerely,

    Moms and Dads in District One

  22. Tom Says:

    Thank you for the thoughtful post. It is a breath of fresh air. As Mr. Leonard’s friend, I’ll make sure he see’s your substantive comments.

    The things you mention are absolutely essential. I know for a fact that Mr. Leonard is in complete agreement. ID is merely one part of an overall reform agenda. Secular humanistic philosophy and excessive emphasis on self esteem is a failing combination. Excellence in our schools will only be achieved with a well rounded approach to education. As Mr. Leonard’s friend, I assure you that your goals are his goals. He will seek to do all these things, without neglecting the others. To watch and listen to Mr. Leonard address these very same issues, visit his website at:

    http://votetoddleonard.com/

    Thanks,

    Tom

  23. Tom Says:

    Joe, you pointed me to the Grand Canyon. Thanks for mentioning that. You’ll be unimpressed I’m sure. But, here is a link describing why the Grand Canyon might have been the result of an instantaneous cataclysmic event, rather than an event occuring over billions of years.

    http://www.origins.org/articles/bohlinray_grandcanyon.html

    http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v18/i2/grand_canyon.asp

    The more important question was asked by Jesus:

    “Who do you say that I am?”

    More interesting to me than whether the earth is 10 thousand or 10 billion years old, is the question posed above. So, “who do you say” that Jesus is?

    Tom

  24. Tom Says:

    Joe, here is an even better article addressing the issue raised in the link you provided earlier as it relates to “common descent” or “homoloy”. It looks very interesting.

    http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i1/homology.asp

    Tom

  25. AnyMouse Says:

    Rick:
    I keep reading on this blog site the BIG discussion about Inteligent Design (creationism) and Evolution. Did any of you stop to think the two are more closely intertwined than you want to believe. Maybe ID and evolution are one and the same. We all know the life had to start somewhere and sometime. I’m sure it did not just appear like a magician pulling a rabbit out of an empty hat. Do you want your kids to learn that a million years ago there was a big puff of smoke and the human race suddenly appeared. Heck, it wasn’t too long ago kids were taught that the stork dropped them off as babies at their parent’s doorstep!

    As for evolution, people today are still evolving today – they are bigger, stronger, and smarter than their ancestors. People living in the extreme north are lighter-skinned than those living near the equator. Just look at the technical advances over the past years, centuries. Isn’t that a form of evolution?

  26. Tom Says:

    Anymouse,

    To answer your question… No. Not really. Getting bigger and smarter is not quite the same as becoming something completely different. For example, if I am a whale, it is one thing to become bigger and smarter. It is quite another to become a bear. If I am a Galapogos finch, I might grow a longer beak when drought comes, but I will not become a stork or a monkey.

    It is the difference between Micro and Macro evolution. Micro is mere adaptation to an environment. Macro says, that over billions and billions of years it might evolve into a stork or a monkey or a bird or a human. Just add time to the equation and anything might happen!

  27. Joe Says:

    Tom, it was a lot more fun debating with you when I thought you were a misguided-but-otherwise-reasonable person who got convinced somewhere along the way that Intelligent Design is science that deserves a fair shake in the education system.

    But then you went and posted those Grand Canyon links, revealing yourself as just another young-earth creationist cut from the Kent Hovind cloth. Heck, even your buddy Behe admits there is “no reason to doubt that the universe is the billions of years old that physicists say it is.”

    So at this point in our relationship, I’m forced to ask myself: what’s the point in continuing? I know I’m not going to persuade anyone who thinks the Bible is the literal, word-for-word truth, trumping even Nature itself.

    But I do enjoy our debates and will happily continue them… IF you can give me a good answer to this quandary: the Bible says God created the universe in six days, and both Adam and Eve were created on the sixth day (Gen 1:27). But BEFORE he created Eve he told Adam to name all the other living creatures (Gen. 2:19). Since there’s no such thing as evolution, all the creatures that are and ever were would have been lined up in front of Adam, numbering somewhere in the tens of millions. So my question (which is really more of a math problem) is: how many animals per minute did Adam have to name in order to fit into this literal 24 hour day — and what was the big hurry?

  28. AnyMouse Says:

    Tom: Now you’ve shaken my early education right to it’s core!!!

  29. District 1 Parent Says:

    Tom:

    Please give the ID issue a rest. We get the fact Todd and his camp are right wing fundamentalists. I concede that point.

    What PROFESSIONAL experience does Todd have in the educations field, besides selling stuff to them? And I don’t mean that as a negative comment, I understand that is how he makes his living.

    Just curious.

    Thanks

  30. Tom Says:

    Great question Joe. I’ll have to consult my fellow young earthers! My initial inclination would be to question whether he necessarily named every single type of animal. It appears from the passage that cattle were brought, along with birds, and beast of the field. Does this mean that he had to name every single variation in a species? I don’t think so, but, I can’t be sure. So, I don’t know how many animals would have been named. 24 hours is a long time though. One could look at a field full of animals, and began naming them in rapid fashion if he so desired. Why be in such a hurry? I imagine that it would have been quite enjoyable to see all these animals for the first time and begin calling them the first thing that came to mind.

    Honestly Joe, good question though. I’ve seen a very good explanation of time at the dawn of creation that probably addresses this issue. It was way above my head though. You seem like a pretty smart guy, so maybe you can critque it. It has to do with the speed of light. You’ve heard Einstien’s theory that someone might travel at the speed of light and see time suspended, turned back, etc. It has something to do with that… I’ll dig it up. It was a theory put forth fairly recently by some Australian scientists. A 24 hour day for Adam at the dawn of creation might have been the equivalent of millions of years. So, both might be true? Hmmm.

    I like questions that make me think.

    Thanks,

    Tom

  31. Tom Says:

    By the way, I am not a Ken Hovinite. Don’t know that much about him, but, I’m not a big fan of his methods. I’m not ashamed of being a literalist, though. I’ll bank on the word of God, and science will one day bow before it. Heck, I will one day bow before it and confess that I didn’t have it all right after all. I’ll find out that I understood far less than I thought I did. I’ll put my hand over my mouth as Job and others did when they came face to face with God’s Holinessuse. I’ll be thankful that I even exist.

  32. District 1 Parent Says:

    Ahem… professional education experience??

  33. Tom Says:

    District 1 parent. Feel free to call Todd and ask him the question just the way you put it to me… you know… with as much tact and respect as is due one of us “right wing fundamentalists.” I’m sure he’ll be happy to respond.

    As far as giving it a rest, your camp keeps bringing it up. I’m happy to give it a rest. But, at this time, Joe and I are having a conversation if that is okay. This is not a campaign conversation. It is a discussion between two gentleman who are genuinely interested inquirers into origins and the like. So, feel free to read if you’d like. But, don’t get mad at Todd because I am enjoying talking to Joe. Joe seems like a very likeable and intelligent individual, and if it is all the same, I think I’ll keep talking to him as long as he wants to talk to me.

    I’m sure that you are aware that Jeff, himself, attends no liberal church in East Brent. Dr. Patterson, his pastor, would be a “right winger” in your view. You really do not serve your cause well when the only thing you can do is belittle Mr. Leonard and his supporters…especially in midst of a very conservative District. You might want to rethink your strategy ma’am.

    You are fully aware of Mr. Leonard’s issues. We’ve talked about them openly. Start talking about Jeff’s or Doug’s or whomever it is that you are supporting.

    Seems like you already know the answer to your own question, so, I’ll leave it at that.

    Have a good night,

    Tom

  34. Tom Says:

    Joe, here is a link (although not the one I was looking for) explaining light, time and the problems in the young earth creationist model.

    http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v17/i2/cosmology.asp

    I’ll keep looking will let you know when I come across it.

    Given any more thought to my earlier question? “Who do men say that I am?” So, who do you say that Jesus is? Was he a historical figure? Or simply a myth? Or something else?

    Tom

  35. MarilynPcola Says:

    Joe,
    The fundamentalist mind is like concrete; all mixed up and permanently set.

  36. MarilynPcola Says:

    Since logic, reason, and historical precision play no part in creationism, unfortunately, these disciplines are useless in discussions with Creationist.

  37. Joe Says:

    Tom,

    Remember now, that 24 hour figure is the absolute MAXIMUM — as in, if Adam was created at 12:00:01am and Eve at 11:59:59pm. But God did a lot of other stuff on the sixth day, too. And really, if you were to read the Genesis 1 account of Adam and Eve, it sure looks He made ’em both at the same time. And why even tell the story twice like that? It’s like at Genesis 2:4 somebody decided to “reboot” the whole thing, with some details in the first one (“help yourself to everything I’ve made!”) and some different details in the second one (“you absolutely may NOT eat this!”). Of course, most Biblical scholars will tell you that’s because that’s kinda what happened — that the different accounts in Genesis were compliled from the different Jewish traditions over time. But that kind of stuff just don’t fly with the literalist crowd.

    I remember debating with a young earth creationist a while back about Noah’s Ark, and he kept citing that “feasibility” book by Woodmorappe, which suggested that God helped Noah design the boat, taught him all kinds of super-advanced food production and storage techniques, summoned all the animals, and gave them super-human abilities to load the animals day and night. Of course, the Bible doesn’t mention any of that, but it seemed to Woodmorappe and to this creationist a reasonable concession to make everything fit into the timeframe and boat dimensions of the Bible. I said that it seemed like once you get to the point of doling out superpowers, why even bother trying to look scientific?

    This also reminds me of when I was a kid. I had watched some cartoon where the protagonist used a magic ring to make these huge rock formations come out of the ground to block the paths of his enemies. I sat down and drew a “technical” diagram of how such a ring might work (there’d be a laser that would cut all around the rocks, then a magnet would lift it up, etc.) and showed it to my dad, who very politely told me that, no, that’s not really how science works. So while I’ll reserve my final thoughts until after you find that explanation you’re digging up, bringing Einstein and light-speed into this whole thing doesn’t really provide a satisfactory answer in my mind.

    I’ll be without a computer for a week or two, but I look forward to reading all your replies then.

  38. District 1 Parent Says:

    Tom:

    Once again when faced with specifics, Todd’s supporters run off in some other direction. The questions re: his professional education experince is a valid question in comparing him to the other candidates.

    I belive Mr. Waters has served on the Santa Rosa School Board in the past, although he was not re-elected after his initial term, and Mr. Bergosh has completed graduate level work in education and has classroom teaching experience.

    I am not aware of any web site for Mr. Waters, but you can listen to a short, 3 minute audio clip of Mr. bergosh by going to http://inweekly.net/images/articles/Jeff%20Bergosh.mp3.

    Once agian Tom, just curious so we voters can compare the candidates.

  39. Tom Says:

    District 1 Parent,

    Specifics. We’ve given them over and over and over. In fact we gave them so often that Mr. Outzen created a special District 1 blog just for folks like you and me. I’ll refer you to that page. Any non-partisan observer will laugh at the idea the Mr. Leonard is running from specifics. He has laid out a very thoughtful agenda. You might not like his agenda, but, that does’t change the facts.

    Feel free to let us see Jeff’s agenda sometime. I’d be delighted to see what new ideas he is proposing.

    As far as Mr. Leonard’s experience, you can read all about him and his experience at his website. I’ll not post that link here, because Rick has asked us to reserve such things for the District 1 Blog. Here is the link in case you’ve misplaced it.

    https://routzen.wordpress.com/2006/08/09/school-board-district-1-race-bergosh-leonard-waters

    If you are asking has Mr. Leonard ever sat on the School Board the answer is no. If you are asking if Mr. Leonard has ever taught or volunteered in school classrooms, as well as other school programs the answer is yes. Has ever been a public school administrator? No. Has he ever been a public school teacher? No.

    But, then neither had Mr. Gaetz in Okaloosa county, who is now your Senator Elect. I don’t think you mean to imply that a gentleman like Mr. Gaetz was unfit for the job he did in Okaloosa. If so, we need more men like him who are similarly unfit! I don’t know of a single person who doesn’t realize that he did a remarkable job in Okaloosa.

    The issue is, who will bring fresh ideas to the table and work to build a better school system in Escambia County? I think we’ve made a pretty strong case for Todd Leonard.

    Feel free to disagree. As a District 1 Parent myself, if Jeff is elected, I hope he’ll take all of Mr. Leonard’s issues and make them his own. Heck, he can make them his own right now if he’d like. The more the merrier as they say. Lifelong Friend commented on the other post that Mr. Bergosh agreed with much of Mr. Leonard’s platform and if not for the issue of where his children attend school, Jeff himself would vote for Todd. So… I don’t know what else to tell you Ma’am.

    Hope that helps.

    God bless and good luck supporting your man,

    Tom

  40. blah Says:

    District 1 Parent:

    Ahem…..A few post-graduate courses, one year as student teacher, 17 years in CA and only 1 1/2 years back in Escambia County–Doubtful Mr. Bergosh could know more about our school system than Mr. Waters and Mr. Leonard.

    Based on your/Mr. Bergosh supporters’ standards regarding qualifications, Gary Bergosh is not qualified to serve either. I don’t see where he has had any graduate level courses in education or has had “real class room experience”.

    Mr. Leonard has worked 12 years in the education field and does more than just “sell stuff”. I’m sure Mr. Bergosh does more than just “manage stuff and/or people”. Mr. Leonard has worked closely with many school administrators throughout Florida and Alabama. He has seen what works, what does not work and has fresh ideas he can bring to the table from the various county administrators he has worked with throughout the Southeast.

    If you or any other voter is really interested in comparing the candidates, call or email them directly. What better way to find out answers to your questions than by going to them directly?

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